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		<title>By: dto510</title>
		<link>http://oaklandliving.wordpress.com/2008/06/22/safeway-community-meeting-turns-into-public-venting-session/#comment-1771</link>
		<dc:creator>dto510</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 02:36:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ken, how is the Safeway proposal out of scale? It&#039;s across the street from a four-story building. What is out of scale is the enormous surface parking lot. By the way, since you played the NIMBY card, my parents live who have lived in Rockridge since the 1970s, are just blocks from the store, right off Claremont, and they support its expansion. Safeway, like other grocery stores in Rockridge, serves more than just the immediate area, and the customer demand for a larger store shows that&#039;s what people really want.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ken, how is the Safeway proposal out of scale? It&#8217;s across the street from a four-story building. What is out of scale is the enormous surface parking lot. By the way, since you played the NIMBY card, my parents live who have lived in Rockridge since the 1970s, are just blocks from the store, right off Claremont, and they support its expansion. Safeway, like other grocery stores in Rockridge, serves more than just the immediate area, and the customer demand for a larger store shows that&#8217;s what people really want.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 06:16:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The proposed store IS out of scale to the local shops and it&#039;s unnecessary. The current store is sufficient in size.  We don&#039;t need mega stores that will block the view of the hills. Of course many of the local residents are pissed off with Safeway&#039;s all or nothing attitude about this project. Safeway isn&#039;t listening to the community members on this one.  If you actually lived in the area, right near the store, this would be a no brainer...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The proposed store IS out of scale to the local shops and it&#8217;s unnecessary. The current store is sufficient in size.  We don&#8217;t need mega stores that will block the view of the hills. Of course many of the local residents are pissed off with Safeway&#8217;s all or nothing attitude about this project. Safeway isn&#8217;t listening to the community members on this one.  If you actually lived in the area, right near the store, this would be a no brainer&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Becks</title>
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		<dc:creator>Becks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 23:59:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joanna - the proposed two story store is in the same location. It is quite ironic that while many neighborhoods in Oakland are begging for a grocery store, some Rockridge residents are rejecting one. I too think that the smaller stores on the other side of the street will benefit from increased foot traffic, but change scares some people, especially in the midst of a recession.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joanna &#8211; the proposed two story store is in the same location. It is quite ironic that while many neighborhoods in Oakland are begging for a grocery store, some Rockridge residents are rejecting one. I too think that the smaller stores on the other side of the street will benefit from increased foot traffic, but change scares some people, especially in the midst of a recession.</p>
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		<title>By: Joanna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 23:47:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like Oakie, I head to Alameda to shop, or almost as often to Berkeley Bowl.  If I&#039;m really ambitious I&#039;ll go to the Monterey Market.  (just wish it wasn&#039;t closed on Sundays)

It cracks me up that Rockridge residents are so upset over getting a new grocery store.  And if LaFarrine thinks that they&#039;ll be competing with Safeway, I&#039;d bet that they&#039;ll actually get MORE business with the added foot traffic.  I know I&#039;d be more likely to pop in for a pastry or a loaf of bread since it&#039;s right there.

Meanwhile, here in the Jack London District we&#039;ve begged and pleaded for a grocery store.  Even a Safeway would be better than nothing.  Yeah, I&#039;d prefer a Trader Joe&#039;s, Andronico&#039;s, or Piedmont Grocery but trust me, I think down here people would be really, really happy to see Safeway.

I&#039;m not sure what the reason was for moving the store from it&#039;s current location - it seems that a 2-story building on the existing location with more parking and a few extra shops, would be good.  But maybe they have some particular reason for wanting to move down a few blocks?

I&#039;ve been listening to Jane Brunner in various meetings lately.  I think she&#039;s beyond ready for the summer break.  She&#039;s letting her frustration show way too easily and doesn&#039;t appear at all interested in what folks have to say.  (imho)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like Oakie, I head to Alameda to shop, or almost as often to Berkeley Bowl.  If I&#8217;m really ambitious I&#8217;ll go to the Monterey Market.  (just wish it wasn&#8217;t closed on Sundays)</p>
<p>It cracks me up that Rockridge residents are so upset over getting a new grocery store.  And if LaFarrine thinks that they&#8217;ll be competing with Safeway, I&#8217;d bet that they&#8217;ll actually get MORE business with the added foot traffic.  I know I&#8217;d be more likely to pop in for a pastry or a loaf of bread since it&#8217;s right there.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, here in the Jack London District we&#8217;ve begged and pleaded for a grocery store.  Even a Safeway would be better than nothing.  Yeah, I&#8217;d prefer a Trader Joe&#8217;s, Andronico&#8217;s, or Piedmont Grocery but trust me, I think down here people would be really, really happy to see Safeway.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure what the reason was for moving the store from it&#8217;s current location &#8211; it seems that a 2-story building on the existing location with more parking and a few extra shops, would be good.  But maybe they have some particular reason for wanting to move down a few blocks?</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been listening to Jane Brunner in various meetings lately.  I think she&#8217;s beyond ready for the summer break.  She&#8217;s letting her frustration show way too easily and doesn&#8217;t appear at all interested in what folks have to say.  (imho)</p>
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		<title>By: Why the DTO &#60;3 DeLauer&#8217;s &#171; The DTO</title>
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		<dc:creator>Why the DTO &#60;3 DeLauer&#8217;s &#171; The DTO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 18:37:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] pedestrian-centered retail strip improves their experience and their safety. Now if only Rockridgers would figure that out.  Possibly related posts: (automatically generated)DTO Zoning meeting tonight in Adam&#8217;s [...]</description>
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		<title>By: oakie</title>
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		<dc:creator>oakie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jun 2008 14:31:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i&#039;m a proponent of &quot;voting with your dollar&quot;... imho, the rockridge safeway is a deplorable shopping experience: too small, too dated, too dusty, too dismal... i drive to alameda to do my shopping at the safeway/TJ combo, diverting much-needed tax dollars from oakland but also saving my sanity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i&#8217;m a proponent of &#8220;voting with your dollar&#8221;&#8230; imho, the rockridge safeway is a deplorable shopping experience: too small, too dated, too dusty, too dismal&#8230; i drive to alameda to do my shopping at the safeway/TJ combo, diverting much-needed tax dollars from oakland but also saving my sanity.</p>
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		<title>By: Becks</title>
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		<dc:creator>Becks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 01:58:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PM - It&#039;s not that I&#039;m against any kind of &quot;venting&quot;. I think it&#039;s important to share opinions and to hear opinions of others. However, I don&#039;t appreciate venting for the sake of venting.

At the &lt;a href=&quot;http://oaklandliving.wordpress.com/2008/05/26/community-speaks-out-against-ac-transit-fare-increases/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;AC Transit hearing&lt;/a&gt; last month about price increases, there was a lot of venting, but I left the meeting feeling good. Why? Because after the public spoke, the AC Transit directors responded and talked about next steps. They made it clear that they had listened. (And that became clearer recently when they decided not to raise fees.)

In contrast, Jane Brunner only said a couple words after the public spoke, and she sounded pretty disinterested. She didn&#039;t sound like she had listened to anyone and she didn&#039;t say anything about next steps (except for that Safeway would submit a proposal). So I left the meeting feeling like nothing had changed and having no idea what would happen with the comments we had all shared.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PM &#8211; It&#8217;s not that I&#8217;m against any kind of &#8220;venting&#8221;. I think it&#8217;s important to share opinions and to hear opinions of others. However, I don&#8217;t appreciate venting for the sake of venting.</p>
<p>At the <a href="http://oaklandliving.wordpress.com/2008/05/26/community-speaks-out-against-ac-transit-fare-increases/" rel="nofollow">AC Transit hearing</a> last month about price increases, there was a lot of venting, but I left the meeting feeling good. Why? Because after the public spoke, the AC Transit directors responded and talked about next steps. They made it clear that they had listened. (And that became clearer recently when they decided not to raise fees.)</p>
<p>In contrast, Jane Brunner only said a couple words after the public spoke, and she sounded pretty disinterested. She didn&#8217;t sound like she had listened to anyone and she didn&#8217;t say anything about next steps (except for that Safeway would submit a proposal). So I left the meeting feeling like nothing had changed and having no idea what would happen with the comments we had all shared.</p>
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		<title>By: PM</title>
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		<dc:creator>PM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 19:16:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What you describe as a public venting session I would like to think is a healthy part of the democratic process.  I subscribe to the idea that conflicting interpretations are more compatible with democratic values and democracy than undifferentiated consensus. While agitation might arise from publicly voicing dissenting opinions, it also enables the means by which allegiances - freely undertaken -are formed.  I&#039;ll take the voicing of angry opinions any day as it evidences the security of right to individual expression.  And for the record, the meeting did not devolve into a shouting match.  People who spoke out of turn were chided for their disrespect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What you describe as a public venting session I would like to think is a healthy part of the democratic process.  I subscribe to the idea that conflicting interpretations are more compatible with democratic values and democracy than undifferentiated consensus. While agitation might arise from publicly voicing dissenting opinions, it also enables the means by which allegiances &#8211; freely undertaken -are formed.  I&#8217;ll take the voicing of angry opinions any day as it evidences the security of right to individual expression.  And for the record, the meeting did not devolve into a shouting match.  People who spoke out of turn were chided for their disrespect.</p>
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		<title>By: art</title>
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		<dc:creator>art</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 19:11:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eric, your master planning idea is an interesting one--since the Broadway Safeway plaza is indeed getting a complete overhaul (I&#039;ve heard that Safeway is even considering giving Long&#039;s the boot, which will make for an interesting public process!), it&#039;s a prime opportunity to do just that. (Safeway is the master developer for the entire plaza in that case.) I suspect the challenge on all of these is that Safeway is overseeing and will then own the projects, and they don&#039;t want to be residential landlords. Identifying some good precedents or partnerships that have worked in other similar situations could go a long way in encouraging designs that could include housing above (or other non-retail services and amenities). I think the Broadway store is set to follow closely on the heels of the College store (website is already up and they had an initial public meeting last fall), so now&#039;s a good time to start collecting models, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric, your master planning idea is an interesting one&#8211;since the Broadway Safeway plaza is indeed getting a complete overhaul (I&#8217;ve heard that Safeway is even considering giving Long&#8217;s the boot, which will make for an interesting public process!), it&#8217;s a prime opportunity to do just that. (Safeway is the master developer for the entire plaza in that case.) I suspect the challenge on all of these is that Safeway is overseeing and will then own the projects, and they don&#8217;t want to be residential landlords. Identifying some good precedents or partnerships that have worked in other similar situations could go a long way in encouraging designs that could include housing above (or other non-retail services and amenities). I think the Broadway store is set to follow closely on the heels of the College store (website is already up and they had an initial public meeting last fall), so now&#8217;s a good time to start collecting models, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 14:36:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>art wrote:
&lt;i&gt;It’s unfortunate that Safeway didn’t start with the Broadway store, which is an easier sell (close to freeways and major transpo corridors already, and a dedicated retail space, rather than part of a neighborhood fabric)–they might have had an easier time in Rockridge with a model already in the ground.&lt;/i&gt;

Actually, I would argue that this is the exact reason why they should have started with the Rockridge Safeway. The current use of the College &amp; Claremont site is entirely out of character with the neighborhood -- much more so, actually, than the design Safeway has proposed. I&#039;m not saying I totally dig Safeway&#039;s design, because there is plenty of room for improvement. But it&#039;s clear that a building of this sort should definitely be built, though I (probably contrary to many neighbors, I imagine) would like even better to see a couple stories of apartments above.

In terms of urban design, the Broadway Safeway is already a &quot;lost cause,&quot; so to speak, because it&#039;s a huge strip mall with many stores. I would really like to see that site redeveloped into something more urban as well, with lots of apartments and pedestrian alleys, maybe a park, and so forth. But it would also take a master planning effort beyond what Safeway can do on its own.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>art wrote:<br />
<i>It’s unfortunate that Safeway didn’t start with the Broadway store, which is an easier sell (close to freeways and major transpo corridors already, and a dedicated retail space, rather than part of a neighborhood fabric)–they might have had an easier time in Rockridge with a model already in the ground.</i></p>
<p>Actually, I would argue that this is the exact reason why they should have started with the Rockridge Safeway. The current use of the College &amp; Claremont site is entirely out of character with the neighborhood &#8212; much more so, actually, than the design Safeway has proposed. I&#8217;m not saying I totally dig Safeway&#8217;s design, because there is plenty of room for improvement. But it&#8217;s clear that a building of this sort should definitely be built, though I (probably contrary to many neighbors, I imagine) would like even better to see a couple stories of apartments above.</p>
<p>In terms of urban design, the Broadway Safeway is already a &#8220;lost cause,&#8221; so to speak, because it&#8217;s a huge strip mall with many stores. I would really like to see that site redeveloped into something more urban as well, with lots of apartments and pedestrian alleys, maybe a park, and so forth. But it would also take a master planning effort beyond what Safeway can do on its own.</p>
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		<title>By: soldier2writer</title>
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		<dc:creator>soldier2writer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 06:32:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Meeting of the type described do nothing but cause and feed anger.  The best way to gather public opinion is to list both pros and cons during one public meeting, then discuss them at a following meeting.  This will give people a chance to put together their thoughts and present them in a rational manner.  Meetings that degrade into shouting matches or personal attacks solve nothing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Meeting of the type described do nothing but cause and feed anger.  The best way to gather public opinion is to list both pros and cons during one public meeting, then discuss them at a following meeting.  This will give people a chance to put together their thoughts and present them in a rational manner.  Meetings that degrade into shouting matches or personal attacks solve nothing.</p>
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		<title>By: Becks</title>
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		<dc:creator>Becks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 03:56:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PM - I guess I&#039;m just not sure I see the value in what I experienced as a public venting session. Can someone tell me what was gained from this community meeting?

I&#039;d be happy to participate in neighborhood discussions about the project, as I do recognize that the people who spoke have more nuanced opinions than they were able to share in one minute. If anyone knows of any upcoming discussions, please let me know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PM &#8211; I guess I&#8217;m just not sure I see the value in what I experienced as a public venting session. Can someone tell me what was gained from this community meeting?</p>
<p>I&#8217;d be happy to participate in neighborhood discussions about the project, as I do recognize that the people who spoke have more nuanced opinions than they were able to share in one minute. If anyone knows of any upcoming discussions, please let me know.</p>
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		<title>By: PM</title>
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		<dc:creator>PM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 01:19:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it is important to note that the meeting wasn&#039;t intended to be a brainstorming discussion, or even a Q&amp;A. its objective, as set out by Jane Brunner, RCPC, and CENA, who sponsored the meeting, was to gather community impressions about the project.  One minute commentaries create little more than the chance to voice broad perspectives (as you noted, you don&#039;t get to say everything you want to).  Many people in that room were aware of the meeting&#039;s format and the limitations, and so chose to be emphatic in their opposition.  These same people have created very well-reasoned arguments for their opposition, and, as CLH mentions, offered extensive, thoughtful commentary to Safeway about this project&#039;s impact, only to find the size of the store increased and more inflexible traffic patterns created. From my perspective, it doesn&#039;t seem to be the neighborhood that is unwilling to negotiate. 
The constructive back and forth that you are looking for is present in other forums, especially in neighbor-organized discussions.  I&#039;d encourage you to participate in those.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it is important to note that the meeting wasn&#8217;t intended to be a brainstorming discussion, or even a Q&amp;A. its objective, as set out by Jane Brunner, RCPC, and CENA, who sponsored the meeting, was to gather community impressions about the project.  One minute commentaries create little more than the chance to voice broad perspectives (as you noted, you don&#8217;t get to say everything you want to).  Many people in that room were aware of the meeting&#8217;s format and the limitations, and so chose to be emphatic in their opposition.  These same people have created very well-reasoned arguments for their opposition, and, as CLH mentions, offered extensive, thoughtful commentary to Safeway about this project&#8217;s impact, only to find the size of the store increased and more inflexible traffic patterns created. From my perspective, it doesn&#8217;t seem to be the neighborhood that is unwilling to negotiate.<br />
The constructive back and forth that you are looking for is present in other forums, especially in neighbor-organized discussions.  I&#8217;d encourage you to participate in those.</p>
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		<title>By: art</title>
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		<dc:creator>art</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 22:13:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do think it&#039;s worth noting that there may have been few proponents/neutral folks there because, well, there just aren&#039;t many of them. Don&#039;t get me wrong--I think the current use of the Claremont Safeway/gas station parcel is pretty awful, and would love to see a two-story mixed use development, which they ought to be able to design easily in a way that doesn&#039;t block sunny tables at Cole&#039;s. But pretty much everyone I know in this neighborhood is opposed to the current design (and that includes lots of progressive-minded types who generally support intensifying uses in this area and don&#039;t have an issue with the bigger building footprint itself). However, the congestion issues at that intersection are very real, and the neighbors are right--there&#039;s really no need for a bigger Safeway there, as there are plenty of local grocers (and chains, and even another Safeway, also slated for being lifestyled!) in spitting distance. I&#039;d love to see this one stay a smaller store, with the extra space shifted to housing instead--something the area really does need. 

It&#039;s unfortunate that Safeway didn&#039;t start with the Broadway store, which is an easier sell (close to freeways and major transpo corridors already, and a dedicated retail space, rather than part of a neighborhood fabric)--they might have had an easier time in Rockridge with a model already in the ground. In Berkeley, the Solano and Shattuck (N. Berkeley) stores are also being rebuilt as part of this campaign--worth following all of these projects since they&#039;ll face similar challenges along the way. Might be some shared solutions, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do think it&#8217;s worth noting that there may have been few proponents/neutral folks there because, well, there just aren&#8217;t many of them. Don&#8217;t get me wrong&#8211;I think the current use of the Claremont Safeway/gas station parcel is pretty awful, and would love to see a two-story mixed use development, which they ought to be able to design easily in a way that doesn&#8217;t block sunny tables at Cole&#8217;s. But pretty much everyone I know in this neighborhood is opposed to the current design (and that includes lots of progressive-minded types who generally support intensifying uses in this area and don&#8217;t have an issue with the bigger building footprint itself). However, the congestion issues at that intersection are very real, and the neighbors are right&#8211;there&#8217;s really no need for a bigger Safeway there, as there are plenty of local grocers (and chains, and even another Safeway, also slated for being lifestyled!) in spitting distance. I&#8217;d love to see this one stay a smaller store, with the extra space shifted to housing instead&#8211;something the area really does need. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s unfortunate that Safeway didn&#8217;t start with the Broadway store, which is an easier sell (close to freeways and major transpo corridors already, and a dedicated retail space, rather than part of a neighborhood fabric)&#8211;they might have had an easier time in Rockridge with a model already in the ground. In Berkeley, the Solano and Shattuck (N. Berkeley) stores are also being rebuilt as part of this campaign&#8211;worth following all of these projects since they&#8217;ll face similar challenges along the way. Might be some shared solutions, too.</p>
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		<title>By: Becks</title>
		<link>http://oaklandliving.wordpress.com/2008/06/22/safeway-community-meeting-turns-into-public-venting-session/#comment-812</link>
		<dc:creator>Becks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 20:41:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CLH - I appreciate your comments and your perspective on this.

I think the meeting was stacked against Safeway&#039;s proposal because after the Safeway rep spoke, three community groups that oppose the project were each given 5 minutes to speak. Also, the &quot;greeters&quot; at the door were opponents and there was no proponent or neutral information to be found when walking into the meeting. That really set the tone for the entire meeting. I believe there were many people in the audience that supported parts of the project or were neutral who were probably a bit scared to get up and say that because of the initial tone of the meeting. And after the response I received, I can see why they would be too scared to voice their opinions.

I understand that this meeting is part of a larger process and that some in the community are upset with Safeway. I do hope that Safeway will listen to some of the more constructive comments given on Thursday and will work further on their project plan before submitting it to the city.

My main problem with Thursday&#039;s meeting is not really what was said but how it was said. I wish we could have had a constructive back and forth conversation (as I had with some community members after the meeting ended). I do think that progress can be made. Ultimately, not everyone will be happy with the project plan, but hopefully we can move towards something the entire community can live with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CLH &#8211; I appreciate your comments and your perspective on this.</p>
<p>I think the meeting was stacked against Safeway&#8217;s proposal because after the Safeway rep spoke, three community groups that oppose the project were each given 5 minutes to speak. Also, the &#8220;greeters&#8221; at the door were opponents and there was no proponent or neutral information to be found when walking into the meeting. That really set the tone for the entire meeting. I believe there were many people in the audience that supported parts of the project or were neutral who were probably a bit scared to get up and say that because of the initial tone of the meeting. And after the response I received, I can see why they would be too scared to voice their opinions.</p>
<p>I understand that this meeting is part of a larger process and that some in the community are upset with Safeway. I do hope that Safeway will listen to some of the more constructive comments given on Thursday and will work further on their project plan before submitting it to the city.</p>
<p>My main problem with Thursday&#8217;s meeting is not really what was said but how it was said. I wish we could have had a constructive back and forth conversation (as I had with some community members after the meeting ended). I do think that progress can be made. Ultimately, not everyone will be happy with the project plan, but hopefully we can move towards something the entire community can live with.</p>
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