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		<title>By: Joel</title>
		<link>http://oaklandliving.wordpress.com/2008/08/06/bunching-overcrowding-the-need-for-brt/#comment-983</link>
		<dc:creator>Joel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 20:50:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris-
In respect to double-parkers, cars could be allowed to briefly enter a dedicated BRT lane to pass double parked cars / street merchant loaders / UPS trucks, etc.

In respect to reduced stops, the stops would be placed where AC Transit currently recieves the most riders. Sometimes stops will be closer together (as in downtown areas), but in less dense areas (like East Oakland), they will be further apart.. The stops would be placed closer together than the current 1R stops. Interestingly, AC Transit has observed that most people with disabilites walk the extra distance to catch the 1R despite the distance between stops, because of the time savings they get from shorter trip times and decreased wait times.

Rob-
Most streets considered to be more &quot;walkable&quot; are those with no more than one lane of car traffic in either direction on them. Think about all the &quot;walkable&quot; neighborhoods in the Bay Area: 
Rockridge / North Oakland
Piedmont Ave.
Noe St. (Noe Valley, SF)
Chestnut St. (Marina Dist. in SF)
Irving Street (Inner Sunset, SF)
24th St. (Mission District, SF)
All of them have one lane of traffic in either direction, and maybe a turning lane at intersections. This gives pedestrians a safer feel because cars that stop for pedstrians aren&#039;t &quot;passed on the left&quot; by cars in parallel lanes. Cars that are traveling behind cars that are stopping for pedestrians can&#039;t see the pedestrians that the vehicle in front of them is stopping for. This sometimes leads to the following car to go around to the left of the first (stopped) car, endangering the pedestrian who might be stepping right into the path of the now accelerating second car. This is what traffic engineers call a &quot;double threat&quot;, and it is why busy streets feel less walkable. 

Additionally, two lanes of travel give a car driver more freedom of movement on a street, which leads to higher speeds. We tend to drive much slower on a narrow street than we would if we have two lanes available, like we do now on Telegraph Ave.

When you design a street for cars, you get cars. When you a street for people, you get people. Matter of fact, look what happened to merchants in NYC when they took all the cars away!:  http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/08/11/what-does-summer-streets-mean-for-business/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris-<br />
In respect to double-parkers, cars could be allowed to briefly enter a dedicated BRT lane to pass double parked cars / street merchant loaders / UPS trucks, etc.</p>
<p>In respect to reduced stops, the stops would be placed where AC Transit currently recieves the most riders. Sometimes stops will be closer together (as in downtown areas), but in less dense areas (like East Oakland), they will be further apart.. The stops would be placed closer together than the current 1R stops. Interestingly, AC Transit has observed that most people with disabilites walk the extra distance to catch the 1R despite the distance between stops, because of the time savings they get from shorter trip times and decreased wait times.</p>
<p>Rob-<br />
Most streets considered to be more &#8220;walkable&#8221; are those with no more than one lane of car traffic in either direction on them. Think about all the &#8220;walkable&#8221; neighborhoods in the Bay Area:<br />
Rockridge / North Oakland<br />
Piedmont Ave.<br />
Noe St. (Noe Valley, SF)<br />
Chestnut St. (Marina Dist. in SF)<br />
Irving Street (Inner Sunset, SF)<br />
24th St. (Mission District, SF)<br />
All of them have one lane of traffic in either direction, and maybe a turning lane at intersections. This gives pedestrians a safer feel because cars that stop for pedstrians aren&#8217;t &#8220;passed on the left&#8221; by cars in parallel lanes. Cars that are traveling behind cars that are stopping for pedestrians can&#8217;t see the pedestrians that the vehicle in front of them is stopping for. This sometimes leads to the following car to go around to the left of the first (stopped) car, endangering the pedestrian who might be stepping right into the path of the now accelerating second car. This is what traffic engineers call a &#8220;double threat&#8221;, and it is why busy streets feel less walkable. </p>
<p>Additionally, two lanes of travel give a car driver more freedom of movement on a street, which leads to higher speeds. We tend to drive much slower on a narrow street than we would if we have two lanes available, like we do now on Telegraph Ave.</p>
<p>When you design a street for cars, you get cars. When you a street for people, you get people. Matter of fact, look what happened to merchants in NYC when they took all the cars away!:  <a href="http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/08/11/what-does-summer-streets-mean-for-business/" rel="nofollow">http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/08/11/what-does-summer-streets-mean-for-business/</a></p>
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		<title>By: art</title>
		<link>http://oaklandliving.wordpress.com/2008/08/06/bunching-overcrowding-the-need-for-brt/#comment-978</link>
		<dc:creator>art</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 07:07:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chrisfs, the local bus will also continue to run so there will still be service available to intermediate stops--but yes, the BRT will have limited stops that are further apart (much like the 1R now). However, there is a stop at each of the business districts along Telegraph, so these will be quite well served. I used to live in one of the neighborhoods that is organizing against BRT, and my impression was that their opposition stemmed largely from parking concerns: business owners, for instance, are afraid that without street parking out front, they would lose business (a fear I agree is likely unfounded, since you can&#039;t assume you&#039;ll find a parking spot *now*--and also the stretch of Telegraph that would close completely is primarily student-serving anyway, so I don&#039;t think they&#039;ll see much impact for their clientele). Residents are afraid that with crunched parking and traffic on Telegraph, people will take to the side streets. However, I find this fear a little bit silly in a city that has a strong history of permit parking and traffic calming. Near College and Ashby, for instance, a number of the side streets are blocked or have resident-only access to deal with exactly this problem, and it&#039;s quite effective. In the short term, there may be people trying to get around on the side streets, but in the long term, I expect that we&#039;ll see fewer people driving, period. In cities I&#039;ve lived in that had reliable transit, most people I knew opted to take transit unless the trip involved a purchase that required a car--and I expect we&#039;ll see that pattern here, too, once people adjust to BRT. (Right now, there really aren&#039;t too many--if any--businesses on the section of Telegraph that may close that sell goods large enough to require a car--it&#039;s largely restaurants, bookshops, music stores, clothing stores, etc. Perfect for a pedestrian way!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chrisfs, the local bus will also continue to run so there will still be service available to intermediate stops&#8211;but yes, the BRT will have limited stops that are further apart (much like the 1R now). However, there is a stop at each of the business districts along Telegraph, so these will be quite well served. I used to live in one of the neighborhoods that is organizing against BRT, and my impression was that their opposition stemmed largely from parking concerns: business owners, for instance, are afraid that without street parking out front, they would lose business (a fear I agree is likely unfounded, since you can&#8217;t assume you&#8217;ll find a parking spot *now*&#8211;and also the stretch of Telegraph that would close completely is primarily student-serving anyway, so I don&#8217;t think they&#8217;ll see much impact for their clientele). Residents are afraid that with crunched parking and traffic on Telegraph, people will take to the side streets. However, I find this fear a little bit silly in a city that has a strong history of permit parking and traffic calming. Near College and Ashby, for instance, a number of the side streets are blocked or have resident-only access to deal with exactly this problem, and it&#8217;s quite effective. In the short term, there may be people trying to get around on the side streets, but in the long term, I expect that we&#8217;ll see fewer people driving, period. In cities I&#8217;ve lived in that had reliable transit, most people I knew opted to take transit unless the trip involved a purchase that required a car&#8211;and I expect we&#8217;ll see that pattern here, too, once people adjust to BRT. (Right now, there really aren&#8217;t too many&#8211;if any&#8211;businesses on the section of Telegraph that may close that sell goods large enough to require a car&#8211;it&#8217;s largely restaurants, bookshops, music stores, clothing stores, etc. Perfect for a pedestrian way!)</p>
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		<title>By: brian</title>
		<link>http://oaklandliving.wordpress.com/2008/08/06/bunching-overcrowding-the-need-for-brt/#comment-976</link>
		<dc:creator>brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 00:35:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I look forward to BRT on Telegraph, and hope all the returning students, who will be out in record number voting for Obama, will vote for BRT as well if the NIMBYS get it on the ballot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I look forward to BRT on Telegraph, and hope all the returning students, who will be out in record number voting for Obama, will vote for BRT as well if the NIMBYS get it on the ballot.</p>
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		<title>By: Chrisfs</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chrisfs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Aug 2008 21:35:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bunching is an annoying thing, I see it with the 51 buses on 12th St.  (Van Hool , ugh!!)

However, I think BRT on Berkeley Telegraph is not a good idea. The street is rather narrow as it is and delivery trucks and UPS vehicles stop in the middle of the street making traffic that much worse. Dedicating a lane of the already narrow street to buses only would simply add to the traffic nigthmare. Also since it&#039;s rapid transit, doesn&#039;t that mean reduced stops, so the bus wouldn&#039;t stop too many places, it would simply drive through Telegraph, so locals wouldn&#039;t get that much extra business. I could be wrong on that assumption, but that&#039;s what it sounded like to me, when I heard about it.  Perhaps it could use a side street next to Telegraph ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bunching is an annoying thing, I see it with the 51 buses on 12th St.  (Van Hool , ugh!!)</p>
<p>However, I think BRT on Berkeley Telegraph is not a good idea. The street is rather narrow as it is and delivery trucks and UPS vehicles stop in the middle of the street making traffic that much worse. Dedicating a lane of the already narrow street to buses only would simply add to the traffic nigthmare. Also since it&#8217;s rapid transit, doesn&#8217;t that mean reduced stops, so the bus wouldn&#8217;t stop too many places, it would simply drive through Telegraph, so locals wouldn&#8217;t get that much extra business. I could be wrong on that assumption, but that&#8217;s what it sounded like to me, when I heard about it.  Perhaps it could use a side street next to Telegraph ?</p>
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		<title>By: Becks</title>
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		<dc:creator>Becks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 15:10:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rob - Thanks for your comment. I understand the concerns that the business owners have, but I just don&#039;t think that they will pan out once BRT is built.

The neighborhoods will still be just as walkable so I don&#039;t think they&#039;ll lose any nearby business. Right now, traffic and parking in the Telegraph area of Berkeley are horrendous - I know I avoid it whenever possible. If I could get to those shops quickly and reliably, the Telegraph merchants would see a huge increase in shopping from me and people like me who don&#039;t want to wait a half hour for a bus but also don&#039;t want to spend a half hour looking for parking. Looking at other cities that have implemented BRT, I think there&#039;s every reason to believe that merchants will see increased and not decreased business due to BRT.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rob &#8211; Thanks for your comment. I understand the concerns that the business owners have, but I just don&#8217;t think that they will pan out once BRT is built.</p>
<p>The neighborhoods will still be just as walkable so I don&#8217;t think they&#8217;ll lose any nearby business. Right now, traffic and parking in the Telegraph area of Berkeley are horrendous &#8211; I know I avoid it whenever possible. If I could get to those shops quickly and reliably, the Telegraph merchants would see a huge increase in shopping from me and people like me who don&#8217;t want to wait a half hour for a bus but also don&#8217;t want to spend a half hour looking for parking. Looking at other cities that have implemented BRT, I think there&#8217;s every reason to believe that merchants will see increased and not decreased business due to BRT.</p>
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		<title>By: Jame</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jame</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 05:17:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually the bunching is the reason I don&#039;t like the bus.  :)

My friend heard a rumor...some bus drivers love bunching.  It means less work during your shift.  So sometimes I think it is on purpose.  I think BRT will onlt solve 50% of the problem.  But 50% is better than nothing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually the bunching is the reason I don&#8217;t like the bus.  <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>My friend heard a rumor&#8230;some bus drivers love bunching.  It means less work during your shift.  So sometimes I think it is on purpose.  I think BRT will onlt solve 50% of the problem.  But 50% is better than nothing.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 04:24:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While BRT is an answer, it is not necessarily the best answer to the bus bunching problem.  Ask the Telegraph area business owners  what they think of the BRT plan.  Most are against it.  Opposition to the BRT plan is not about NIMBYism, it is about maintaining a walkable, livable, neighborhood; it is about supporting local businesses.  While taking the bus is better for the environment than driving yourself to work in an SUV, other options include biking, walking, carpooling, or living near where you work.  Those of us against BRT aren&#039;t necessarily against things &quot;green&quot;, we just approach being green in a different way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While BRT is an answer, it is not necessarily the best answer to the bus bunching problem.  Ask the Telegraph area business owners  what they think of the BRT plan.  Most are against it.  Opposition to the BRT plan is not about NIMBYism, it is about maintaining a walkable, livable, neighborhood; it is about supporting local businesses.  While taking the bus is better for the environment than driving yourself to work in an SUV, other options include biking, walking, carpooling, or living near where you work.  Those of us against BRT aren&#8217;t necessarily against things &#8220;green&#8221;, we just approach being green in a different way.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 21:38:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>can&#039;t wait for BRT to become reality.

the main impediment to oakland-berkeley brt was NIMBYism in berkeley. which is ironic considering they are considered quite &quot;green&quot; on many fronts.

with gas prices where they are, i expect this NIMBYism to subside and eventually give way to full BRT and hopefully LRT.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>can&#8217;t wait for BRT to become reality.</p>
<p>the main impediment to oakland-berkeley brt was NIMBYism in berkeley. which is ironic considering they are considered quite &#8220;green&#8221; on many fronts.</p>
<p>with gas prices where they are, i expect this NIMBYism to subside and eventually give way to full BRT and hopefully LRT.</p>
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