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	<title>Comments on: An enjoyable and informative morning at Jane Brunner&#8217;s BRT forum</title>
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		<title>By: Becks</title>
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		<dc:creator>Becks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 17:59:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You have this one very, very wrong Berkel. BRT does not automatically change zoning. That doesn&#039;t even make sense, since AC Transit has no control over zoning - that&#039;s within the preview of the city.

If your real concern is about zoning, then address that issue directly. Though zoning is clearly related to transit improvement, there&#039;s no automatic correlation. So if it&#039;s high rises you don&#039;t want, take that to the council. Don&#039;t kill BRT just because you don&#039;t want to see tall buildings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You have this one very, very wrong Berkel. BRT does not automatically change zoning. That doesn&#8217;t even make sense, since AC Transit has no control over zoning &#8211; that&#8217;s within the preview of the city.</p>
<p>If your real concern is about zoning, then address that issue directly. Though zoning is clearly related to transit improvement, there&#8217;s no automatic correlation. So if it&#8217;s high rises you don&#8217;t want, take that to the council. Don&#8217;t kill BRT just because you don&#8217;t want to see tall buildings.</p>
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		<title>By: Berkel Berkel Californicus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Berkel Berkel Californicus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 08:39:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what facts snuffly, 
really obvious surface level facts, 
there are many other facts suckafish, even facts below the surface.
berkeley rads own you greenscam idiots.
Most of the resistance to BRT would be resolved if the zoning change that BRT would produce were removed. When you develop new transit systems, you change the zoning, and allow for developers to place towers of nice communities, 

Part of the reason Berkeley is such a nice place to live, is its human scale. And tower building is only good for congestion, air pollution and expensive property. So unless your invested in real estate, beanhead you dont want that to happen. Berkeley has 130% more density then dumple headded oaktown, so why dont you put the big buildings in you Knuckleheaded bongtown. 

And for the record snuffly, every one but the random uninformed folk that come along with every public process, know the simple straightforward and relevant facts the beck has been so helpful to state. Beck is cool, becks facts are appreciated, but they do not relate to the real problems that carry water in this town.  Berkeley is in a fight for its heart an soul with the developers, and the developers have devised a shiney new greenscam skinn that makes the seems so sincere. But density doesnt produce green ness, think about it bunnyrabbit. When you think of green? do you think of sky scrappers??? no bongledor you think of solar panels, alti transit, bikes, insulation, ennergy efficient light bulbs, farmers markets, etc.  

Well well pumpkin head green scam, ties BRT to increased density, and Berkeley doesn&#039;t want it. Berkeley wants real open process, so we can get the issues out on the table, and address them, cause then we get  the sweet cool future, and happy city we deserve.
You my Grasshoper would do well to listen closely, and learn. 

And for Dodsworth, well you just dont know nutthin, 
He speaks clear to the issue, not just spinning politricks,
and people like him. As fer KK, dodsworth has never endorsed it bc KK doesnt place these same restrictions on parking and roadway construction.

Snuffly suckabongs, yer the incoherent one.
&quot;theres apples in the trees, we&#039;ve got all that we need. 
You don&#039;t have to wait until you die, 
       you don&#039;t have to waait until you die&quot;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what facts snuffly,<br />
really obvious surface level facts,<br />
there are many other facts suckafish, even facts below the surface.<br />
berkeley rads own you greenscam idiots.<br />
Most of the resistance to BRT would be resolved if the zoning change that BRT would produce were removed. When you develop new transit systems, you change the zoning, and allow for developers to place towers of nice communities, </p>
<p>Part of the reason Berkeley is such a nice place to live, is its human scale. And tower building is only good for congestion, air pollution and expensive property. So unless your invested in real estate, beanhead you dont want that to happen. Berkeley has 130% more density then dumple headded oaktown, so why dont you put the big buildings in you Knuckleheaded bongtown. </p>
<p>And for the record snuffly, every one but the random uninformed folk that come along with every public process, know the simple straightforward and relevant facts the beck has been so helpful to state. Beck is cool, becks facts are appreciated, but they do not relate to the real problems that carry water in this town.  Berkeley is in a fight for its heart an soul with the developers, and the developers have devised a shiney new greenscam skinn that makes the seems so sincere. But density doesnt produce green ness, think about it bunnyrabbit. When you think of green? do you think of sky scrappers??? no bongledor you think of solar panels, alti transit, bikes, insulation, ennergy efficient light bulbs, farmers markets, etc.  </p>
<p>Well well pumpkin head green scam, ties BRT to increased density, and Berkeley doesn&#8217;t want it. Berkeley wants real open process, so we can get the issues out on the table, and address them, cause then we get  the sweet cool future, and happy city we deserve.<br />
You my Grasshoper would do well to listen closely, and learn. </p>
<p>And for Dodsworth, well you just dont know nutthin,<br />
He speaks clear to the issue, not just spinning politricks,<br />
and people like him. As fer KK, dodsworth has never endorsed it bc KK doesnt place these same restrictions on parking and roadway construction.</p>
<p>Snuffly suckabongs, yer the incoherent one.<br />
&#8220;theres apples in the trees, we&#8217;ve got all that we need.<br />
You don&#8217;t have to wait until you die,<br />
       you don&#8217;t have to waait until you die&#8221;</p>
<p>good evening and good night.</p>
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		<title>By: Jerkle Jerkle Snuffleupagus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jerkle Jerkle Snuffleupagus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 21:08:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Asa Dodsworth?!

Come on man, that guy hasn&#039;t got a prayer.  He&#039;s incoherent, has no organization, and he&#039;s got this blurry eyed, dopey presence that makes you wonder what exactly he&#039;s on.   About the only assets he has for Berkeley politicking are youthful good looks and dreds.

Vote no on KK.  

Just because Becks and her blogger friends have the facts on their side... means they have the goddamn FACTS on their side.  BRT will be a huge asset to the east bay.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Asa Dodsworth?!</p>
<p>Come on man, that guy hasn&#8217;t got a prayer.  He&#8217;s incoherent, has no organization, and he&#8217;s got this blurry eyed, dopey presence that makes you wonder what exactly he&#8217;s on.   About the only assets he has for Berkeley politicking are youthful good looks and dreds.</p>
<p>Vote no on KK.  </p>
<p>Just because Becks and her blogger friends have the facts on their side&#8230; means they have the goddamn FACTS on their side.  BRT will be a huge asset to the east bay.</p>
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		<title>By: Berkel Berkel Californicus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Berkel Berkel Californicus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 11:40:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just say no to Geek Fascism. Just cause your right on somethings doesn&#039;t mean its wrong for others to question.  BRT will have huge impacts for telegraph ave, in allot of different ways. And the People of Berkeley have been demanding opportunities to speak and be heard in the decision making process for decades. Just cause the sheople of Oakland are used to being out of the loop doesn&#039;t make the people of Berkeley wrong fro questioning the logics.  

A lil&#039; history for you green geek fascists. Berkeley delayed the implementation of Bart by about 5 years to come up with a better plan. And they did.  They raised a ballot measure to pay for the undergrounding of BART.  The undergrounding of BART prevented the environmental rascism of putting more noise, shadows, and obstructrutions in poor communities. And most of the BART line at that time was on the other side of the color line.  I don&#039;t see how you can speak with so much sass when you have a transit structure that in West Oakland that is deafening at four blocks away.  That&#039;s real hearing damage along the entire length of the West Oakland BART run. BART doesn&#039;t do that to any other community in its entire Bay Area Map, and That is real old fashion negro law.

So if Berkeley wants to hold up the process of implementing a dedicated lane at the final length of the BRT system, back the hell off you cracker ass idiots.  Most of the ridership along the span is not in Berkeley, so not having dedicated lanes in Berkeley would not effect most rides and riders. And we could explore options like just ending the dedicated lanes for the final leg, north of Dwight Ave.

 And I am actually personally interested in having bus only lanes on the final length of telegraph, but I will fight you authoritarians to the end if it comes to more &quot;green&quot; scam being pushed down Berkeley&#039;s throats.

If you want more real data and analysis check out this dudes blog. He&#039;s running for Berkeley City Council, 
he green &amp; not mean
http://asadodsworth.blogspot.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just say no to Geek Fascism. Just cause your right on somethings doesn&#8217;t mean its wrong for others to question.  BRT will have huge impacts for telegraph ave, in allot of different ways. And the People of Berkeley have been demanding opportunities to speak and be heard in the decision making process for decades. Just cause the sheople of Oakland are used to being out of the loop doesn&#8217;t make the people of Berkeley wrong fro questioning the logics.  </p>
<p>A lil&#8217; history for you green geek fascists. Berkeley delayed the implementation of Bart by about 5 years to come up with a better plan. And they did.  They raised a ballot measure to pay for the undergrounding of BART.  The undergrounding of BART prevented the environmental rascism of putting more noise, shadows, and obstructrutions in poor communities. And most of the BART line at that time was on the other side of the color line.  I don&#8217;t see how you can speak with so much sass when you have a transit structure that in West Oakland that is deafening at four blocks away.  That&#8217;s real hearing damage along the entire length of the West Oakland BART run. BART doesn&#8217;t do that to any other community in its entire Bay Area Map, and That is real old fashion negro law.</p>
<p>So if Berkeley wants to hold up the process of implementing a dedicated lane at the final length of the BRT system, back the hell off you cracker ass idiots.  Most of the ridership along the span is not in Berkeley, so not having dedicated lanes in Berkeley would not effect most rides and riders. And we could explore options like just ending the dedicated lanes for the final leg, north of Dwight Ave.</p>
<p> And I am actually personally interested in having bus only lanes on the final length of telegraph, but I will fight you authoritarians to the end if it comes to more &#8220;green&#8221; scam being pushed down Berkeley&#8217;s throats.</p>
<p>If you want more real data and analysis check out this dudes blog. He&#8217;s running for Berkeley City Council,<br />
he green &amp; not mean<br />
<a href="http://asadodsworth.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://asadodsworth.blogspot.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: bikerider</title>
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		<dc:creator>bikerider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 03:47:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok Joyce, I read your &quot;BRT-lite&quot; proposal, and quite frankly it reads like &quot;BRT-stupid&quot;.

Your plan would have buses running every 3-12 minutes, and stopping directly in the right lane (because of the &quot;bus&quot; bulb-out). Because the left-lane of Telegraph is frequently used by cars doing left-turns, the end result is: lots of dangerous passing, if not total gridlock due to both lanes being blocked to automobile through-traffic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok Joyce, I read your &#8220;BRT-lite&#8221; proposal, and quite frankly it reads like &#8220;BRT-stupid&#8221;.</p>
<p>Your plan would have buses running every 3-12 minutes, and stopping directly in the right lane (because of the &#8220;bus&#8221; bulb-out). Because the left-lane of Telegraph is frequently used by cars doing left-turns, the end result is: lots of dangerous passing, if not total gridlock due to both lanes being blocked to automobile through-traffic.</p>
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		<title>By: OaklandSpaceAcademy</title>
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		<dc:creator>OaklandSpaceAcademy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 17:18:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] eliminating street parking is a huge psychological change...sitting outside having a chicken sandwich at Bakesale Betty or eggs at The Mixing Bowl will become a significantly worse experience [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] eliminating street parking is a huge psychological change&#8230;sitting outside having a chicken sandwich at Bakesale Betty or eggs at The Mixing Bowl will become a significantly worse experience [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Joyce Roy</title>
		<link>http://oaklandliving.wordpress.com/2008/10/11/an-enjoyable-and-informative-morning-at-jane-brunners-brt-forum/#comment-1206</link>
		<dc:creator>Joyce Roy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 17:15:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For more complete info on my BRT-lite proposal go to my website 
http://www.joyceroy4actransit.net and click on BRT-lite.

Joyce Roy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For more complete info on my BRT-lite proposal go to my website<br />
<a href="http://www.joyceroy4actransit.net" rel="nofollow">http://www.joyceroy4actransit.net</a> and click on BRT-lite.</p>
<p>Joyce Roy</p>
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		<title>By: Hank</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 02:16:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent report! Thanks for taking the time to get it all down. I agree with Chuck Siegel that it&#039;s encouraging to know people in Oakland are being reasonable and thoughtful about BRT. What is it with Berkeley, anyway? A lot of people there seem to think they have some kind of entitlement--mainly, to support and uphold the rights of people who drive &#039;til death do us part. Radical Berkeley indeed!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent report! Thanks for taking the time to get it all down. I agree with Chuck Siegel that it&#8217;s encouraging to know people in Oakland are being reasonable and thoughtful about BRT. What is it with Berkeley, anyway? A lot of people there seem to think they have some kind of entitlement&#8211;mainly, to support and uphold the rights of people who drive &#8217;til death do us part. Radical Berkeley indeed!</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 21:19:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i&#039;m starting to get a better idea of why i dislike BRTs. they allow for private cars to remain their presence on the streets, and that is unacceptable to me.

what we should do is open up the car lane to bicycle traffic, which means closing down that lane to car traffic.

simple. elegant. inexpensive. will make transit run faster. will decrease pollution. will promote sustainability. will promote transit. will increase livability. etc.

if we&#039;re gonna do BRT, we should care enough to do it right. get rid of the cars.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i&#8217;m starting to get a better idea of why i dislike BRTs. they allow for private cars to remain their presence on the streets, and that is unacceptable to me.</p>
<p>what we should do is open up the car lane to bicycle traffic, which means closing down that lane to car traffic.</p>
<p>simple. elegant. inexpensive. will make transit run faster. will decrease pollution. will promote sustainability. will promote transit. will increase livability. etc.</p>
<p>if we&#8217;re gonna do BRT, we should care enough to do it right. get rid of the cars.</p>
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		<title>By: Three important transportation meetings &#171; FutureOakland</title>
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		<dc:creator>Three important transportation meetings &#171; FutureOakland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 20:28:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] UPDATE: Becks reports on the BRT meeting at Living in the O. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Becks</title>
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		<dc:creator>Becks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 02:33:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh yeah, I forgot about the Wilshire experiment. I&#039;m glad to hear that they&#039;re planning a more permanent solution as Wilshire is awful for buses right now - it can take over an hour to get a couple miles.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh yeah, I forgot about the Wilshire experiment. I&#8217;m glad to hear that they&#8217;re planning a more permanent solution as Wilshire is awful for buses right now &#8211; it can take over an hour to get a couple miles.</p>
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		<title>By: Joel Ramos (TALC)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joel Ramos (TALC)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 02:14:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, LA did have BRT with dedicated lanes along Wilshire Blvd. for awhile, as it was a long hard fight by the Bus Riders Union, to make service faster and more reliable. The initial implementation was only a test, which proved that bus service was improved with the lanes.

The council has moved to put in permanent dedicated lanes and are looking for funding, see: http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/bottleneck/2007/08/wilshire-bus-la.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, LA did have BRT with dedicated lanes along Wilshire Blvd. for awhile, as it was a long hard fight by the Bus Riders Union, to make service faster and more reliable. The initial implementation was only a test, which proved that bus service was improved with the lanes.</p>
<p>The council has moved to put in permanent dedicated lanes and are looking for funding, see: <a href="http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/bottleneck/2007/08/wilshire-bus-la.html" rel="nofollow">http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/bottleneck/2007/08/wilshire-bus-la.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Charles Siegel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charles Siegel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 03:15:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is relief to hear that Oakland people are more reasonable than Berkeley people.   I am thinking about the person from the BID who sees problems that have to be worked out but still supports the project with some reservations, and the person who was worried about traffic on her neighborhood street and wanted traffic calming.  As you know, Berkeley people in similar situations (like Bruce Kaplan) tend to say they are totally against the project and invent excuses to kill it totally. 

I am also glad you emphasized the increased safety and pedestrian friendliness of Telegraph with BRT.  That is one of the major reasons I support BRT, and I don&#039;t think we talk about it enough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is relief to hear that Oakland people are more reasonable than Berkeley people.   I am thinking about the person from the BID who sees problems that have to be worked out but still supports the project with some reservations, and the person who was worried about traffic on her neighborhood street and wanted traffic calming.  As you know, Berkeley people in similar situations (like Bruce Kaplan) tend to say they are totally against the project and invent excuses to kill it totally. </p>
<p>I am also glad you emphasized the increased safety and pedestrian friendliness of Telegraph with BRT.  That is one of the major reasons I support BRT, and I don&#8217;t think we talk about it enough.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 00:52:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a very thorough report! Nice to see you today.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a very thorough report! Nice to see you today.</p>
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